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How Do Modern Cartridges Stack Up Against Old-Timers?

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Just a few weeks in the past, I revealed an article highlighting the ten greatest trendy looking cartridges. My intention wasn’t to hate on older cartridges, simply to offer a listing of a number of the greatest new choices of the final 25 years.

Nonetheless, some commenters felt compelled to defend their favourite cartridges (an honorable impulse), and several other argued that these newfangled PRC’s and Creedmoor’s and ARC’s are all hat and no cattle. They don’t truly outperform tried-and-true designs—they’re simply meant to fleece the looking public for extra money and provides gun writers one thing to spill ink on.

I don’t agree with this solely, but it surely received me questioning whether or not these Fudds (who I really like) might need some extent. It’s onerous to argue that trendy cartridges don’t have something to supply, however are these advantages price, say, the price of a brand new rifle? Are they far and away higher than the old-timers or simply marginally simpler?

To reply this query, I pulled ballistic knowledge for every of the ten cartridges I named within the earlier article and matched them up towards older however comparable cartridges. I attempted to select matchups that used related calibers and weights of bullets (although some comparisons are extra pure than others). I additionally tried to pick consultant examples of every cartridge. Any cartridge may be sped up or slowed down on the reloading bench, and even manufacturing facility choices provide a spread of velocities. However I attempted to select a best-case-scenario for each cartridges and never stack the deck in somehow.

The info speaks for itself, however I’ll say this on the outset: the Fudds might need some extent.


Dan Hogan, the daddy of MeatEater’s Greg Hogan, poses with a Willamett Valley blacktail buck and his dad’s rifle (1968).

6mm ARC (103g ELD-X) vs. 243 Win. (90g ELD-X)

This matchup typifies the “outdated vs. new” paradigm. The 243 Win. gives extra velocity and a flatter trajectory out to 600 yards, however the 6mm ARC overtakes it from an power perspective by 400 yards. The ARC’s high-BC bullet can also be much less impacted by wind at each distance, and it almost closes the speed hole by 600 yards. Whichever facet of this debate you land on, the information on this matchup gives proof to again you up.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

6mm ARC

243 Win.

6mm ARC

243 Win.

6mm ARC

243 Win.

6mm ARC

243 Win.

0

2800

3150

1793

1983

-2

-2

0

0

100

2620

2906

1569

1687

0

0

1

1

200

2446

2676

1369

1431

-4

-3

3

3

300

2280

2457

1188

1207

-13

-10

6

7

400

2120

2249

1028

1011

-29

-23

11

12

500

1966

2052

884

841

-53

-43

18

20

600

1820

1865

758

695

-86

-72

27

30

6.5 Creedmoor (143g ELD-X) vs. 260 Rem. (140g OTM)

The 6.5 Creedmoor is most frequently in comparison with the .308 Win., however those that actually need to take the Creedmoor bros down a notch convey up the 260 Remington. The Remington has the identical bullet diameter because the Creedmoor, and on this matchup, the trajectories are almost indistinguishable out to 600 yards. By 500 yards, the Creedmoor has a slight edge in velocity, power, and wind drift, and that benefit grows for those who transfer previous 600 yards or for those who use the 147-grain match bullets for the Creedmoor. However at commonest looking distances, you gained’t discover any distinction between the Creedmoor and the Remington.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

6.5 Creedmoor

260 Rem.

6.5 Creedmoor

260 Rem.

6.5 Creedmoor

260 Rem.

6.5 Creedmoor

260 Rem.

0

2700

2735

2314

2325

-2

-2

0

0

100

2554

2579

2070

2068

0

0

1

1

200

2412

2429

1847

1834

-4

-4

2

2

300

2275

2284

1644

1621

-14

-13

5

5

400

2143

2143

1458

1428

-30

-30

10

10

500

2015

2008

1289

1253

-54

-53

15

16

600

1892

1878

1136

1096

-87

-86

23

24

6.5 PRC (143g ELD-X) vs. 270 Win. (145g ELD-X)

This comparability is rather less pure than the primary two because the PRC is meant to imitate a magnum cartridge and it makes use of a barely narrower bullet than the .270 Win. However as you may see, the bullet weights and muzzle velocities are almost similar, and the .270 Win. deserves an opportunity to greatest certainly one of its newer counterparts. The trajectories are almost similar out to 600 yards, however the PRC opens up a 100 fps and a 130 ft.-lbs. hole regardless that the bullets start at virtually the identical velocity. As with most trendy cartridges, it additionally strikes much less with a ten mph crosswind, on this case about 4 inches (20 vs. 24 inches).

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

6.5 PRC

270 Win.

6.5 PRC

270 Win.

6.5 PRC

270 Win.

6.5 PRC

270 Win.

0

2960

2970

2782

2840

-2

-2

0

0

100

2805

2791

2499

2507

0

0

0

1

200

2657

2618

2240

2207

-3

-3

2

2

300

2512

2453

2004

1937

-11

-11

5

5

400

2373

2293

1788

1693

-24

-25

8

10

500

2238

2140

1590

1474

-44

-45

13

16

600

2107

1992

1410

1278

-70

-73

20

24

28 Nosler (160g Accubond) vs. 7mm Weatherby Magnum (160g Nosler Partition)

When the 28 Nosler was launched in 2015, the advertising and marketing supplies made it sound like nothing prefer it had ever been completed earlier than. However ol’ Roy Weatherby would disagree. He put out the 7mm Weatherby Magnum all the way in which again in 1947, and its ballistic properties are just like the a lot newer cartridge. However “related” isn’t “similar.” The 28 Nosler (additionally a 7mm bullet) enjoys a 100 fps and 200 ft.-lbs. edge on the muzzle over the older cartridge, and people gaps stay constant via 600 yards. That permits the Nosler to keep up a flatter trajectory and hit 9 inches larger at that vary, and it strikes about 4 inches much less. You’ll have higher luck discovering high-BC bullets with the newer Nosler, however for those who already personal a 7mm Weatherby Magnum, I wouldn’t really feel an enormous must exit and get a 28 Nosler.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

28 Nosler

7mm Wby. Magazine.

28 Nosler

7mm Wby. Magazine.

28 Nosler

7mm Wby. Magazine.

28 Nosler

7mm Wby. Magazine.

0

3300

3200

3868

3637

-2

-2

0

0

100

3104

2987

3423

3169

0

0

0

1

200

2917

2784

3023

2753

-2

-2

2

2

300

2739

2590

2664

2384

-8

-9

5

6

400

2567

2405

2340

2055

-19

-21

9

10

500

2402

2228

2049

1763

-35

-39

14

17

600

2243

2058

1786

1504

-57

-65

21

25

7mm PRC (175g ELD-X) vs. 7mm Rem. Magazine. (175g Fusion Tipped)

I selected a heavier, 175-grain bullet for the 7mm Rem. Magazine. on this comparability, and it struggles to stick with with the 7mm PRC. The PRC beats it in each class at each distance out to 600 yards, and a number of the gaps are important. The 7mm Rem. Magazine. does a little bit higher utilizing the 163-grain bullet, however if you wish to use that heavier, 175-grain capsule, the PRC is a transparent winner. You’ll be able to most likely discover a 175-grain bullet that performs a little bit higher within the Rem. Magazine., but it surely’ll be robust to compete towards the PRC’s velocity benefit, all else being equal. Of the ten trendy vs. conventional comparisons, I feel that is the clearest trendy winner.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

7mm PRC

7mm Rem. Magazine.

7mm PRC

7mm Rem. Magazine.

7mm PRC

7mm Rem. Magazine.

7mm PRC

7mm Rem. Magazine.

0

3000

2775

3497

2992

-2

-2

0

0

100

2859

2615

3175

2656

0

0

0

1

200

2722

2460

2879

2352

-3

-4

2

2

300

2590

2311

2605

2076

-10

-13

4

5

400

2461

2167

2353

1825

-23

-29

7

10

500

2336

2029

2121

1599

-41

-52

12

16

600

2215

1895

1906

1396

-66

-84

17

24

Hunter's Granddad
He wasn’t utilizing a rifle, however this photograph of the grandfather of MeatEater’s Hunter Spencer is just too good to not share. He’d lately returned from World Warfare II’s European theater, and determined to get a photograph after a terrific day within the squirrel woods.

300 WSM (180g Accubond) vs. 300 Win. Magazine. (178g ELD-X)

The 300 Winchester Brief Magnum guarantees 300 Win. Magazine. energy in a short-action bundle. As you may see within the comparability beneath, it delivers on that promise out to 600 yards. The Win. Magazine. holds a slight benefit in each class, however I wouldn’t say it’s sufficient to make an entire lot of distinction. Many hunters will fortunately commerce rather less velocity and power for a lighter rifle with extra capability, which is what the WSM was designed to supply.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

300 WSM

300 Win. Magazine.

300 WSM

300 Win. Magazine.

300 WSM

300 Win. Magazine.

300 WSM

300 Win. Magazine.

0

2950

2960

3478

3462

-2

-2

0

0

100

2761

2782

3047

3059

0

0

1

1

200

2581

2612

2662

2695

-3

-3

2

2

300

2407

2448

2316

2367

-11

-11

6

5

400

2241

2289

2007

2071

-26

-25

11

10

500

2081

2137

1730

1805

-47

-45

17

16

600

1928

1991

1485

1566

-76

-74

26

24

300 PRC (212g ELD-X) vs. 300 Win. Magazine. (200g ELD-X)

The 300 PRC was billed as a contemporary model of the 300 Win. Magazine. It’s a quick, magnum cartridge that does certainly surpass the 300 Win. Magazine. in velocity, power, trajectory, and wind drift. Its 212-grain bullet is shifting precisely the identical velocity because the 300 Win. Magazine.’s 200-grain bullet, which provides it an power benefit out of the gate. Nevertheless it will increase that preliminary benefit downrange, and by 600 yards, it’s hitting with virtually 300 further foot-pounds of power. It additionally strikes about three inches much less in a ten mph crosswind at 600 yards, and has a barely flatter trajectory, as well. Win. Magazine. followers will say that these slight benefits don’t truly matter a lot within the subject, since most pictures within the subject are taken effectively inside 600 yards; PRC followers will argue that they do, and that the PRC’s actual advantages don’t kick in till previous 600 yards. Either side have some extent, and thus the talk continues.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

300 PRC

300 Win. Magazine.

300 PRC

300 Win. Magazine.

300 PRC

300 Win. Magazine.

300 PRC

300 Win. Magazine.

0

2860

2860

3850

3632

-2

-2

0

0

100

2720

2703

3483

3243

0

0

0

1

200

2585

2551

3144

2889

-3

-3

2

2

300

2453

2404

2833

2567

-12

-12

4

5

400

2326

2262

2546

2273

-26

-26

8

9

500

2202

2125

2282

2006

-46

-48

13

15

600

2082

1993

2041

1764

-74

-77

19

22

338 Federal (200g Fusion SP) vs. 308 Win. (178g ELD-X)

The 338 Federal is one other cartridge that was launched particularly to enhance upon an current possibility. The Federal makes use of a .308 Win. case however necks it as much as settle for a .338-caliber bullet. It guarantees extra power heading in the right direction with out the related recoil of a magnum and whereas sustaining the .308’s compact dimensions. As you may see from the charts beneath, it does certainly make good on that promise. It pushes a 200-grain bullet 2,700 fps, which is 100 fps quicker (someway) than a .308 can launch a 178-grain bullet. In a task reversal from the outdated vs. new matchups we’ve seen thus far, the .308 truly overtakes the 338 in velocity and power between 300 and 500 yards. Trajectories stay similar to about that distance, however the .308 drifts considerably much less within the wind. As you may see, the .338 is a contemporary cartridge that bucks the trendy cartridge pattern. It gives extra energy and velocity and shorter distance, which, if we’re being trustworthy, is the place most hunters are taking pictures, anyway. That’s nice for moose and elk hunters who would possibly desire a little bit of an edge with nothing greater than a barrel swap.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

338 Federal

308 Win.

338 Federal

308 Win.

338 Federal

308 Win.

338 Federal

308 Win.

0

2700

2600

3237

2671

-2

-2

0

0

100

2484

2440

2739

2352

0

0

1

1

200

2278

2285

2304

2064

-4

-4

3

3

300

2082

2137

1925

1804

-15

-15

8

6

400

1896

1993

1597

1570

-34

-34

15

12

500

1722

1856

1317

1362

-62

-61

25

19

600

1560

1726

1081

1177

-103

-99

38

28

350 Legend (165g FTX) vs. 44 Rem. Magazine. (225g FTX)

I had essentially the most hassle discovering a superb comp for the 350 Legend. I assumed concerning the 45-70 Authorities, but it surely hits with a lot extra energy on the distances you’d truly shoot these cartridges. I feel a greater straight-wall comparability is the 44 Rem. Magazine. The 350 Legend flies quicker, however the 44’s heavier bullet means power heading in the right direction is comparable at each distance out to 600 yards. However the 350’s velocity provides it a flatter trajectory, and at 300 yards you solely have to return up 30 inches as in comparison with the 44’s 53 inches. Whether or not your rifle can shoot precisely out to 300 yards is a distinct story, however the bullet may have drifted about 10 fewer inches in a 10mph crosswind, in order that’ll assist, too.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

350 Legend

44 Rem. Magazine.

350 Legend

44 Rem. Magazine.

350 Legend

44 Rem. Magazine.

350 Legend

44 Rem. Magazine.

0

2200

1755

1773

1812

-2

-2

0

0

100

1886

1456

1303

1248

0

0

2

3

200

1604

1219

943

875

-8

-15

8

13

300

1362

1060

680

661

-30

-53

20

29

400

1173

961

504

543

-71

-123

38

52

500

1045

889

400

465

-137

-229

62

79

600

961

828

338

403

-235

-380

91

110

375 Ruger (300g DGX) vs. 375 H&H (300g DGX)

This one is fairly easy. The 375 Ruger’s barely bigger case capability provides it a velocity benefit over the H&H that it carries with it all through its 600-yard journey downrange. It hits with extra power, shoots a little bit flatter, and is rather less impacted by the wind. You’ll be able to take these benefits to the financial institution, or you may money them in for a rifle with a shorter barrel however equal efficiency to the tried-and-true H&H. The H&H’s resume is over a century outdated, so we all know what it will possibly and may’t do. With the 375 Ruger, you may mimic that efficiency–and profit from the related peace of thoughts–whereas utilizing a 22-inch barrel somewhat than 24-inch barrel. Once more, not an enormous distinction, however for those who’re operating a suppressor, the 375 Ruger rifle will likely be a little bit extra handy getting out and in of the safari Jeep.

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Velocity

Power

Trajectory

Wind Drift

Vary

375 Ruger

375 H&H

375 Ruger

375 H&H

375 Ruger

375 H&H

375 Ruger

375 H&H

0

2660

2530

4712

4263

-2

-2

0

0

100

2340

2219

3647

3280

0

0

1

1

200

2043

1931

2780

2484

-5

-6

6

6

300

1770

1669

2086

1855

-18

-21

14

15

400

1525

1437

1549

1376

-43

-48

26

28

500

1316

1246

1154

1034

-82

-93

43

47

600

1154

1103

886

811

-142

-159

66

71

IMG 8591
Picture by way of MeatEater’s Matt Miller.

Final Shot

Trendy cartridge aficionados would possibly take subject with the truth that I restricted the vary to 600 yards. If you happen to lengthen a shot out to 700 or 1,000 yards, the marginal benefits you may see within the charts widen considerably. However it is a record of looking cartridges, not competitors ones, and 95% of hunters won’t ever (or ought to by no means) take a shot previous 400 yards, not to mention 600.

Nevertheless, it’s additionally true that velocity, power, trajectory, and wind drift aren’t the one components to contemplate. These charts don’t embrace recoil and accuracy, two key elements to creating an efficient shot. Whereas older cartridges aren’t essentially much less correct, you’ll have higher luck in that division with a manufacturing facility rifle chambered in a contemporary cartridge. The tolerances are a little bit tighter, so I’ve discovered they often shoot higher teams out of the field.

Backside line? This debate will proceed for the foreseeable future as a result of each side have some extent. Trendy cartridges aren’t the perfect factor since sliced bread. That 6.5 Creedmoor/260 Rem. comparability reveals that somewhat than reinventing the wheel, the Creedmoor simply rolled a wheel down a hill whereas individuals have been wanting to maneuver some furnishings. If you happen to suppose your hunt’s success will come right down to 4 fewer inches of wind drift at 500 yards, it is best to most likely rethink your technique.

Nonetheless, many trendy cartridges do provide actual benefits. They use powder extra effectively, hit with much less recoil, and do a greater job in windy circumstances. These benefits may be marginal at frequent looking distances, however for those who may give your self a slight edge within the subject, why not take it?

Characteristic picture by way of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service/Wikimedia commons.



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