This podcast episode uncovers the thriller of how ruffed grouse create their drumming sound, why they do it, and the way it aids biologists of their conservation work.
On this episode, Gabby and AJ discover the thriller of ruffed grouse drumming—beginning within the 1700s, when naturalists first theorized in regards to the sound, and tracing the evolution of human know-how that lastly unlocked the reality behind this distinctive habits. Alongside the best way, they speak to biologist Alaina Roth, Wisconsin’s statewide ruffed grouse specialist, who sheds mild on grouse life historical past, drumming counts, and the way know-how is remodeling wildlife surveys. This episode covers the whole lot from historic myths and early scientific discoveries utilizing cameras to trendy AI-driven drumming surveys and the vital function of habitat in grouse conservation.
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Podcast Script from the Thriller of Ruffed Grouse Drumming
AJ: One factor I like about turkey looking within the spring is listening to ruffed grouse drum. As we speak’s episode goes to discover the biology of drumming and the science of drumming counts. It’s truly an insane story that takes us from the 1750s all the best way to synthetic intelligence.
Gabby: A.J., I’ve one thing embarrassing I must admit to you. Sure. I’ve by no means heard a ruffed grouse drum. I’ve by no means even seen a ruffed grouse. As a mega chook nerd, the one interplay I’ve ever had with a ruffed grouse is choosing up their poop for a analysis challenge whereas I used to be an undergrad. Which continues to be cool. It nonetheless appeared like recent grouse signal, however I by no means truly noticed the chook.
AJ: Nicely, in the present day we’re going to take you as shut as we will to grumble drumming with out experiencing it within the wild. This episode goes to begin with unlocking the thriller of how male ruffed grouse make their drumming sound. Then it’s going to discover the science and significance of drumming counts, with a couple of loopy sidebars in between. And an apology upfront—the audio high quality in our interview was slightly degraded however nonetheless clear sufficient to make use of.
AJ: Nicely, Gabby, I’ve include receipts, so to begin off I’m going to play you and our viewers a recording of a grouse drumming.
Gabby: So if I heard this sound out in nature, I’d not assume that it’s originating from a chook. I’m extra acquainted with different chook drumming sounds, like woodpeckers utilizing their beaks to drum holes into lifeless timber or cockatoos utilizing easy instruments like a stick. However I’m completely unfamiliar with this sound that the ruffed grouse makes, which apparently comes from their wings.
AJ: And right here’s an insane reality about that. Ruffed grouse are the one chook species on this planet that drums like this. They’re alone on this technique. And due to how uncommon this technique is, curious naturalists, biologists, and chook nerds like me and you’ve got been impressed to be taught extra about this habits.

Gabby: So, given its unusualness, how did scientists begin to determine how these birds have been making this drumming sound?
AJ: So we’re gonna hop into our time machine and go all the best way again to the 1750s to a botanist named John Bartram, who wrote a letter to the daddy of British ornithology, George Edwards, a few chook—and I like this identify—he referred to as the Roughed Heath Cock.
John Bartram: There’s something very exceptional in what we name their thumping, which they do with their wings by clapping them towards their sides. Because the hunters say, they stand upon an previous fallen tree that has lain a few years on the bottom the place they start their strokes progressively.
At about two-second intervals, they repeat them faster and faster till they make a noise like thunder at a distance, which continues from the start for a few minute, then ceases for about six or eight minutes earlier than it begins once more. The sound is heard almost half a mile away, by which suggests they’re found by the hunters, and lots of of them are killed.
I’ve shot lots of them on this place however by no means noticed them thump. They largely see me first and so cease. They generally train in thumping in spring and fall at about 9 or ten within the morning.


Gabby: So John Bartram made an trustworthy try at making an attempt to interpret how a ruffed grouse made their drumming sound. A.J., are you acquainted with another historic accounts that described theories on how grouse drum?
AJ: Alright, so there’s been quite a lot of theories made over time. Most of them are previous wives’ tales. I may even keep in mind tales from once I was younger—and I’m solely in my forties—of individuals saying that grouse slapped their wings on hole logs to make the drumming sound. A idea like this doesn’t maintain up; grouse drum on rock partitions, glacial erratics, actually something, together with logs that aren’t hole. So it actually has a historical past of being a thriller that has impressed some loopy concepts.
Gabby: Fortunately, I do know somebody who thinks about ruffed grouse loads—the Wisconsin Division of Pure Assets ruffed grouse specialist, Aliana Roth. She may also help us set up a little bit of ruffed grouse life historical past earlier than we go any deeper.
Aliana Roth: So my identify is Aliana Roth.
I work for the Wisconsin Division of Pure Assets and my function is break up in two. A big majority of what I do daily is the Eau Claire County wildlife biologist place. That’s quite a lot of habitat administration, wildlife surveys, and property administration, specializing in one county in north-central Wisconsin.
After which the opposite portion of my job is to be the statewide ruffed grouse specialist. That entails quite a lot of statewide coordination. We’ve a species administration plan, adopted in 2020, with many objectives and goals for ushering that species administration into the long run. So my job is to supervise and coordinate the objectives of that plan.
I at all times had a reasonably robust curiosity in recreation species administration. That was simply one thing I at all times gravitated towards due to my looking background. Once I was in search of graduate colleges, I utilized to many various packages, and those that basically piqued my curiosity handled recreation birds.
I ended up working with wild turkeys, and I simply assume upland recreation birds are actually vital for lots of causes. Ruffed grouse are our most plentiful upland recreation chook right here in Wisconsin. They’re native to the world. It’s a really small chook, about one pound, they usually’re small however mighty.
They’re what we as wildlife biologists would name a typical r-selected species. They’ve very quick lifespans—solely about 18 months on common—they usually deal with that quick lifespan by reproducing prolifically. So it’s a brief and quick life, they usually don’t spend quite a lot of time placing vitality into elevating their younger. It’s extra of a fast crash course after which onto making an attempt to breed and make the following era.
So, they’re our hottest recreation chook right here in Wisconsin, very talked-about amongst hunters, and that’s form of a fast rundown of the ruffed grouse.
Gabby: Okay, so now that we all know some life historical past details about ruffed grouse, I’m beginning to see how developments in know-how helped people perceive this drumming habits.
If we couldn’t report the sound, how may we describe its quantity and pace to others? If we couldn’t {photograph} or movie it, there’s nearly no strategy to inform {that a} grouse’s wings aren’t technically touching the log they’re drumming on—and even their physique.
AJ: So human know-how was vital in uncovering this thriller—the invention of the digicam on this case and in the end the development of that know-how.
In 1929, nearly 200 years after John Bartram’s statement, the schedule of the forty seventh assembly of the American Ornithologists’ Union listed a 15-minute presentation titled The Courtship of the Ruffed Grouse by Arthur Allen of Cornell College.
Going body by body, Arthur Allen proved {that a} male ruffed grouse’s wings have been producing the sound with air.
Gabby:So I needed to search for a transparent definition of what a ruffed grouse drum is. I keep in mind, A.J., you informed me a few e book referred to as The Ruffed Grouse by a biologist named Gordon Gullion. So I appeared it up and located that Gullion wrote:
“The drumming sound is made by the chook leaning again on his tail and hanging his wings towards the air violently sufficient to create a momentary vacuum, a lot as lightning does when it flashes by way of the sky.”
AJ: “A momentary vacuum, very similar to lightning.” No large deal.
Now that Allen knew how they do it, he nonetheless got down to reply an much more obscure query—which is how grouse be taught to drum.
Arthur Allen: After a couple of minutes of reconnoitering, he mounted the log and nearly instantly assumed the drumming pose, first patting the log together with his toes as if to check the soundness of the spot he had chosen.
Then adopted the short stroke of the wings, one other and one other, and at last, the roll and a blur of wings that made the lifeless leaves fly from in entrance of the log. There was no query that he knew instinctively what a drumming log was for and knew how the drum ought to be produced, however he made scarcely a sound.
Certainly, it required almost two weeks of fixed training earlier than the chook’s drum appeared like that of a wild chook. Since this chook had by no means seen nor heard one other grouse drum, I believe we’re justified in concluding parenthetically that grouse inherit an intuition to drum, simply as I consider different birds inherit the intuition to sing.
Gabby: That is actually attention-grabbing to me as a result of I’m extra acquainted with songbird analysis than with ruffed grouse analysis.
One thing I’ve realized by way of learning songbirds is that, sure, they’re born realizing find out how to sing—they inherently know find out how to sing—however they don’t know find out how to sing accurately. Their songs normally sound immature, simply as immature because the chook itself. They should be taught the proper cadence, tones, and quantity from their dad and mom and different mature breeding adults to correctly discover ways to make their track.
And this appears to even be true about ruffed grouse drumming. They should follow to get it proper.
AJ: The novelty of one thing like this solely makes me love ruffed grouse that rather more.
Gabby: So if different birds—songbirds—are utilizing their songs for breeding functions, does that imply that ruffed grouse are utilizing their drumming for breeding functions as nicely?
AJ: So ruffed grouse within the springtime are completely drumming for mating functions—to draw a mate.
Additionally they drum for dominance causes within the fall, and we’ll get into that later. However for now, birds drumming within the spring brings up form of our first step in science-driven information: a type of indexing generally known as grouse drumming surveys.
And naturally, Aliana helped us perceive what precisely a grouse drumming survey is.
Aliana Roth: So drumming counts are a primary survey that now we have performed right here in Wisconsin for the reason that Sixties.
It’s a survey the place biologists, technicians, and even volunteers exit on a chosen route—ten miles lengthy with ten stops. Each mile you cease, you pay attention for 4 minutes, and also you depend the variety of ruffed grouse drums you hear throughout that point interval.
The surveys are performed in spring, which is throughout their breeding season once they’re doing essentially the most drumming. We exit within the early morning hours, which tends to be essentially the most prolific time for drumming exercise. So it provides us an index of our inhabitants abundance.
For lots of species, we aren’t truly making an attempt to depend the variety of animals that exist on the market. When you concentrate on ruffed grouse or turkeys, these are two essential examples the place we use both harvest or a survey as an index of how the inhabitants is doing, as a substitute of making an attempt to estimate the precise inhabitants quantity.
So for ruffed grouse, that drumming survey is an index as a result of it offers one essential piece of the inhabitants equation: the abundance of males which might be drumming.
It provides us an index of development and melancholy within the inhabitants quantity. And it’s additionally vital for presence and absence. Like I discussed earlier than, in southwest Wisconsin the place we traditionally had ruffed grouse and now have only a few, we proceed to do these survey routes to see if any new populations are rising in sure areas after habitat remedy.
Gabby: Aliana talked about this idea of an index. An index is an easy statistical measurement used to trace adjustments in inhabitants sizes or abundances. Indices are particularly helpful when counting precisely what number of people make up a inhabitants is impractical and even not possible.
So for crystal readability, drumming counts are indexes, not a inhabitants depend.
AJ: One other frequent instance of an index might be gathered from wing and tail surveys. Should you’re unfamiliar, wing and tail surveys are generally used methods for wildlife biologists to achieve info from hunters.
Hunters submit a wing or a tail from the birds they killed, and biologists can decide whether or not the hunted birds have been male or feminine, and mature or immature. Biologists can use these numbers to estimate male-to-female chook ratios in addition to estimate whether or not extra immature or mature birds are current.
Gabby: One factor price noting right here is that simply because quite a lot of birds are drumming within the spring, that doesn’t imply there will probably be insane ruffed grouse numbers within the fall.
Chick mortality—which kills essentially the most ruffed grouse—occurs within the spring after the males are performed drumming. How a lot chilly, wet climate happens after the drumming season is a greater indicator of what number of grouse will probably be within the woods come fall as a result of grouse chicks battle to thermoregulate in these situations, and lots of die from publicity.
AJ: So I wish to take a sidebar on fall drumming habits. I discussed earlier that ruffed grouse may drum within the fall, however for dominance causes. Fall drumming is a superb indicator of stable grouse numbers for the season and it will get right down to some fairly obscure biology of the place grouse select to drum.
The wanting it’s that drumming birds within the fall means an abundance of males in search of and defending drumming websites.
Gordon Gullion: Traditionally, relying on whether or not or not they’re repeatedly utilized by successive male grouse, logs and facilities are outlined as perennial or transient.
Yearly, a log could also be used as a major, alternate, or maybe by the way as a secondary drumming log. Throughout drumming duels, logs or objects with no prior historical past of use could also be used briefly as problem websites. The standing of the male grouse established on a log in relation to his predecessor could also be that of a brand new drummer (on a log not used earlier than), a alternative drummer, a displacement drummer (having routed his predecessor), or a repeat drummer.
The social standing of the male grouse established in an exercise heart could also be that of the dominant drummer; the subdued alternate drummer; a satellite tv for pc drummer sharing a middle on almost even phrases with the dominant male; or the non-drummer, who is seemingly not persistently related to any particular log or exercise heart. (Choice and Use of Drumming Websites by Male Ruffed Grouse, The Auk, 1967)
AJ: Gordon Gullion is maybe essentially the most famend ruffed grouse researcher throughout the group, and his work on the science of drumming is unmatched.
His profession spanned greater than 60 years, and he’s deserving of his personal Mission Upland podcast episode. However he’s unavoidable on this matter, and his work helps us perceive the connections between drumming and habitat wants.
Gullion’s work consists of the examine of over 2,000 drumming websites which have been boiled right down to among the most vital info in drumming analysis, even 40 years after it was written.
Gabby: By means of his work, Gullion even discovered fascinating time patterns.
Whereas the typical time between drums was 4 minutes, ruffed grouse that weren’t engaged by both a mate or a challenger would lower drumming in a sample of four-minute intervals.
To cite Gullion’s analysis:“At different instances, when a single chook is drumming and never being answered by others, the intervals between drums could also be at multiples of 4 minutes—that’s, at eight, 12, or 16-minute intervals. Should you hear a drumming break lower in size, it is a sign of a male chook being excited by the presence of one other chook. At this level, drums can occur as typically as one minute aside.”
AJ: So after we speak about drumming counts now, understanding how choosy a male ruffed grouse is on the subject of drumming websites, drumming counts may also be an index of excellent habitat.
And we’re going to let Aliana describe that slightly extra.
Aliana Roth: Yeah. So, as I mentioned, they’re a really short-lived species, they usually have a couple of vital issues they should test off their lifecycle checklist in that quick period of time.
They’re born precocial, which signifies that as quickly as they hatch—on the day they hatch—they’re up and shifting with mother. That’s completely different from altricial songbirds that keep within the nest and are featherless, helpless, and blind for some time.
Ruffed grouse are principally born working on the bottom proper off the bat.
For the primary two weeks of their life, they’re flightless. So it’s actually vital for them to have tremendous high-quality brooding habitat that sometimes seems like open areas with quite a lot of forbs—flowering crops—that may host quite a lot of bugs, that are very protein-rich and assist them develop these flight feathers.
After two weeks or so, once they can begin to fly and evade predators, their probability of survival goes manner up. However these first two weeks are fairly dangerous; survival is fairly low. So it’s vital for them to have that basically open herbaceous, shade-intolerant habitat subsequent to very dense, thick forest cowl.
That manner, if any form of predator comes by—whether or not it’s an aerial predator like hawks or owls or a floor predator like raccoons, foxes, or coyotes—they’ve dense cowl they will escape to very shut by.
That open cowl is vital for foraging. As soon as they grow old and head into fall, they want completely different meals sources. As soon as they grow to be adults, they form of transfer away from bugs and rely rather more on arduous and delicate mast.
In Wisconsin, that will be acorns, hazelnuts, blackberries, raspberries, and comparable meals. All these plant species are additionally shade-intolerant, so younger successional forest habitat is a large a part of their lifecycle.
As they transfer into winter as full-fledged adults, they depend on barely older forest—sometimes about 15 to 25 years previous—which produces catkins (the male flowers of these forest tree species), an vital winter meals supply.
So all through their lifecycle, they actually rely loads on younger forestry. Take into account them a habitat specialist, however they want a patchwork of various forest ages to satisfy all their lifecycle wants.
Gabby: One other enjoyable reality about ruffed grouse is that wholesome populations generally exhibit one thing known as a 10-year inhabitants cycle. This implies their populations predictably improve and reduce, and the cycle repeats each 10 years.
Moreover, grouse are also known as a bellwether species. In different phrases, if their inhabitants declines past the predictable and recurring 10-year decline, it units off alarm bells.
Aliana Roth: Wisconsin has been an attention-grabbing case examine as a result of as just lately because the Nineteen Eighties and Nineteen Nineties, we had excellent grouse populations unfold throughout, I’d say, two-thirds of the state.
We had very wholesome populations within the southwest a part of Wisconsin, which we name the Driftless Space, a few many years in the past. Sadly, we’ve skilled some fairly vital habitat loss in that space, and ruffed grouse have grow to be nearly undetectable.
We seen that as these populations declined in that space, that 10-year cycle turned much less and fewer pronounced.
In northern Wisconsin, we nonetheless see a powerful relationship with that 10-year cycle. Right here, our cycles peak sometimes in years ending in 9 or zero. Then round years ending in 4 or 5, we’re in our troughs or valleys.
In order that 10-year cycle has remained pretty constant for the northern a part of the state.
There’s been quite a lot of speak about why that cycle occurs. I don’t know that scientists have ever landed on an actual purpose with arduous proof.
The main idea I’ve heard in recent times is that it has slightly to do with goshawk populations and the way their populations cycle—not not like what we see with snowshoe hares and lynx in some traditional research.
I don’t understand how thorough and rigorous that idea is, however that’s the primary one I’ve heard from different researchers.
AJ: So Gabby, I’m going to maneuver to the know-how story right here—developments in how drumming counts might be performed utilizing distant sound recording tools and decoding information utilizing synthetic intelligence.
I despatched you a paper that I discovered once I wrote an article about grouse drumming, which you edited. The identify of that examine was The Automated Recognition of Ruffed Grouse Drumming in Area Recordings.
Aliana Roth: I truly set to work on a really comparable challenge once I was in graduate college.
I labored for Louisiana State College, and we have been deploying these autonomous recording models—ARUs—in South Carolina on a wildlife administration space to detect gobbling turkeys.
It’s just about the identical idea, however for a distinct species.
They’re principally simply recording models that you just deploy up within the timber with a microphone. They’ve chips, you insert batteries, and each week or so that you exit and gather the chips.
You then take that uncooked information and put it by way of software program that you would be able to program to seek for all sounds that fall throughout the megahertz vary of what a drum would sound like.
So these items are recording on a regular basis—or for no matter program you set them to. For grouse, you’d in all probability report early within the morning after which flip them off in the course of the day to save lots of battery and space for storing.
You place the recordings by way of a software program program and inform it, “I solely wish to see this frequency as a result of that is the frequency that drums ought to fall in.” It clears out all the opposite information and offers you solely sounds that fall inside that vary.
There’s potential for this to be a really efficient instrument for issues like ruffed grouse, turkeys, warblers—no matter.
Proper now, our survey routes are confined to roadways as a result of that’s the place it’s time-efficient. We couldn’t stroll 10 miles and be as environment friendly. However with ARUs, we may deploy these in additional distant areas and attain extra distant landscapes.
The factor I preserve eager about is finances. What’s limiting me is my finances. I’m not going to have the ability to deploy these all over the place as a result of they’re costly.
However when you get previous that value, you save quite a lot of employees time. To exit and test these recorders and gather the chips takes about 10 minutes in comparison with somebody going out and doing a three- or four-hour-long survey.
I believe you’ll find yourself saving cash in the long term since you wouldn’t want as a lot employees time or mileage enter each single 12 months to conduct survey routes.
I believe there’s potential for it to be cost-saving.
Gabby: After all, I learn the paper after you despatched it to me. I like studying scientific papers, particularly ones about birds—particularly ones that embody the intersection of wildlife ecology and trendy know-how.
However know-how at all times leaves me feeling torn.
Sure, I like that know-how like this may also help make the work of biologists simpler. I believe Aliana made a fantastic level: the automation of recognizing drumming sounds and turkey gobbles actually hastens the method.
It permits biologists to make use of their time extra properly—like restoring wildlife habitat or actively being out within the subject.
However there’s at all times a catch.
Within the case of those recording models, the place are the mined sources essential for his or her chips sourced from? Are they made abroad and shipped to North America? What number of information facilities are wanted to assist the AI program that realized to acknowledge drums and gobbles?
Does it make sense to get rid of our reliance on people on the subject of gathering information on birds? Is it truly cheaper, or are there long-term prices—financial or ecological—related to this?
That mentioned, the know-how we’re speaking about right here is fairly small-scale: an AI program that may acknowledge a selected subset of sound frequencies.
Personally, I want to not make broad generalizations, so I’m not anti-automated recognition companies. However as a proactive particular person, and with latest governmental choices in thoughts, I’m hesitant to see what an elevated reliance on know-how would possibly result in.
Nevertheless, it might be our solely choice if wildlife analysis is defunded.
AJ: Sadly, that is the a part of the story that’s changing into an rising problem—funding.
Serving on the New Hampshire Fish and Sport Fee has made me all too conscious of the challenges of funding primary work like indexing and staffing points.
Wildlife companies all through the nation are going through these issues to various levels, and applied sciences like this might hopefully assist us do extra with much less—supplied an company can get previous the preliminary funding.
One thing like it is a nice strategy to leverage native nonprofits to assist a state company purchase tools. It’s one thing absolutely in our management as hunters and individuals who care about this science.
I additionally get excited in regards to the stability of knowledge utilizing know-how like this. Not that biologists are on the market making large human errors, however issues like listening to points, somebody forgetting to show a truck engine off, and even how typically the survey is performed may actually grow to be issues of the previous.
Aliana Roth: Particularly if we’re frightened about ruffed grouse, I’d say we’d have extra time for habitat administration—and to me, that’s an important factor we will do for ruffed grouse.
If you concentrate on all of the issues that may affect a ruffed grouse all through its life and trigger mortality—illness, overwinter mortality, predation, local weather stressors—it’s loads.
I at all times clarify it like this: if you happen to’re an individual and you’ve got the flu, you’re going to get well a lot sooner when you’ve got a heat, climate-controlled home, loads of meals, and an enormous cozy mattress.
However if you happen to get the flu and also you’re homeless or residing within the woods, you’ll must attempt to preserve heat, make a hearth, and discover sources.
That’s similar to a ruffed grouse.
They’re going to be a lot better tailored to overcoming exterior stressors like local weather, predation, and illness if they’ve high-quality and high-quantity habitat to stay in.
In the event that they’re making an attempt to outlive in mediocre or low-quality habitat, they gained’t cope as nicely.
There are additionally local weather stressors affecting ruffed grouse.
In Wisconsin, one main factor is that they’re extremely correlated with quaking aspen—a boreal species anticipated to maneuver out of Wisconsin. We’ll want to seek out some form of surrogate habitat that works for them.
One other main issue is that ruffed grouse depend on snow roosting, the place they dive into piles of sunshine, fluffy snow to roost in a single day for predator safety and thermal cowl.
As we get fewer predictable snow occasions, that’s going to be more durable. In order that they’ll want extra conifer cowl.
There are quite a lot of local weather components at play, and at UW Madison, a number of college students are working diligently to check a few of these local weather fashions and the way they’ll affect ruffed grouse.
AJ: As we speak we spared everybody among the extra obscure elements of Gullion’s analysis, and I would definitely encourage anybody who’s curious about ruffed grouse to learn his e book.
The e book was initially titled Grouse of the North Shore. It will definitely received republished as The Ruffed Grouse. It may be slightly troublesome to seek out copies—they’re slightly costly. I’ve a duplicate, and it’s nicely price it. It’s one in every of my most favourite books on the subject of the biology of ruffed grouse.
His profession was considerably tied to the Ruffed Grouse Society, and we will thank them for a lot of the funding that went into his analysis and his legacy.
Gabby: This exploration of ruffed grouse drumming is a superb instance of how complicated and attention-grabbing ruffed grouse actually are.
Though these birds might be finicky—as AJ has attested—they’re an emblem of a various, wholesome ecosystem.
And as somebody who’s additionally an enormous Aldo Leopold fan, all this speak about ruffed grouse makes me consider his well-known quote:
“Everybody is aware of that the autumn panorama within the Northwoods is the land plus a purple maple, plus a ruffed grouse. By way of standard physics, the grouse represents solely a millionth of both the mass or the vitality of an acre, but subtract the grouse and the entire thing is lifeless.”
Aliana Roth: It’s unmistakable. It makes me very grateful to stay the place I stay.
I like residing in northern Wisconsin. I believe it’s so particular right here. I believe it’s a really underrated place, and I’m simply very glad to be right here.
To me, yeah, listening to a ruffed grouse drum is like an emblem of northern Wisconsin. That’s form of the intestine feeling I get.
AJ: So if you happen to loved in the present day’s episode, we’d actually love your assist. Should you head over to our Patreon, we’re an unbiased media group. This analysis is completed in-house—we clearly nerd out over this.
You’ll be able to go over there and hearken to the complete interview with Aliana, in addition to get hyperlinks to the paper we talked about on this episode.
You’ll be able to talk with us, the hosts and different employees, see behind-the-scenes interviews, nerd out in all types of the way, and proceed the dialogue on this fascinating piece of historical past and science about drumming ruffed grouse.
Gabby: This episode was produced on my own, Gabby Zaldumbide, A.J. DeRosa, and Jennifer Wapenski.
The modifying of this episode was performed on my own and A.J. DeRosa.
Particular because of the Wisconsin Division of Pure Assets’ ruffed grouse specialist, Aliana Roth.
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